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	<title>Comments on: 11 Myths About Flash That Won&#8217;t Die</title>
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	<description>A blog about Flash &#38; ActionScript 3 from a designer&#039;s perspective</description>
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		<title>By: regiomancer &#187; 11 mitos sobre Flash que no morirán</title>
		<link>http://www.warmforestflash.com/blog/2010/01/11-myths-about-flash-that-wont-die/comment-page-1/#comment-4638</link>
		<dc:creator>regiomancer &#187; 11 mitos sobre Flash que no morirán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hang</title>
		<link>http://www.warmforestflash.com/blog/2010/01/11-myths-about-flash-that-wont-die/comment-page-1/#comment-4629</link>
		<dc:creator>Hang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree to all of your points.
Another myth : HTML/CSS3 and Javascript will kill Flash (because they can do video too ?!)
As a Flash developer, I would also say that we should just choose the technology that fits the content and type of the project.  And no, Flash is NOT only about video embedding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree to all of your points.<br />
Another myth : HTML/CSS3 and Javascript will kill Flash (because they can do video too ?!)<br />
As a Flash developer, I would also say that we should just choose the technology that fits the content and type of the project.  And no, Flash is NOT only about video embedding.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper Janssen</title>
		<link>http://www.warmforestflash.com/blog/2010/01/11-myths-about-flash-that-wont-die/comment-page-1/#comment-4628</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper Janssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a user, the amount of Bad Flash has been so prevalent that I still much prefer the web with Flashblock enabled. Yes, most of that isn&#039;t Flash&#039;s fault but the developer, and if a site really wants to use flash, why, I haven&#039;t all that much of a problem with clicking the play button on navigational flash or content flash -- but even then a lot of the stuff I encounter is done in Flash that really doesn&#039;t need to be done in Flash.

The major exceptions are flash video and flash games. The former will soon be a thing of the past (and really, does it make sense to have an  tag, but require external plugins to render basic video files?), and the latter will probably remain for at least a while longer, but the primary non-Flash mobile platform doesn&#039;t actually have a dearth of casual games available to it.

&quot;Users want to see the whole web&quot; is only part of the truth -- and outside those two major categories, very little of The Whole Web requires Flash -- in part because, as you say, people provide alternate versions without Flash (at least for small-screen mobile devices). Given that this is apparently a necessity, does Flash really provide enough extra compared to an AJAX implementation to compensate for maintaining both versions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a user, the amount of Bad Flash has been so prevalent that I still much prefer the web with Flashblock enabled. Yes, most of that isn&#8217;t Flash&#8217;s fault but the developer, and if a site really wants to use flash, why, I haven&#8217;t all that much of a problem with clicking the play button on navigational flash or content flash &#8212; but even then a lot of the stuff I encounter is done in Flash that really doesn&#8217;t need to be done in Flash.</p>
<p>The major exceptions are flash video and flash games. The former will soon be a thing of the past (and really, does it make sense to have an  tag, but require external plugins to render basic video files?), and the latter will probably remain for at least a while longer, but the primary non-Flash mobile platform doesn&#8217;t actually have a dearth of casual games available to it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Users want to see the whole web&#8221; is only part of the truth &#8212; and outside those two major categories, very little of The Whole Web requires Flash &#8212; in part because, as you say, people provide alternate versions without Flash (at least for small-screen mobile devices). Given that this is apparently a necessity, does Flash really provide enough extra compared to an AJAX implementation to compensate for maintaining both versions?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Tkatch</title>
		<link>http://www.warmforestflash.com/blog/2010/01/11-myths-about-flash-that-wont-die/comment-page-1/#comment-4627</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Tkatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My main gripe with Flash is that it removes control from the user. Sure, noscript or the like can disable the entire flash application, but not individual parts of it. Allowing flash means allowing some developer or company to have complete control over my experience outside of my ability to turn it off.

The main use of Flash now seems to be videos. That is changing. There are better players starting to show up, and HTML 5 is offering a supported alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main gripe with Flash is that it removes control from the user. Sure, noscript or the like can disable the entire flash application, but not individual parts of it. Allowing flash means allowing some developer or company to have complete control over my experience outside of my ability to turn it off.</p>
<p>The main use of Flash now seems to be videos. That is changing. There are better players starting to show up, and HTML 5 is offering a supported alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Kan Apple gjøre som de vil eller burde de tatt mer ansvar? at Allverdig</title>
		<link>http://www.warmforestflash.com/blog/2010/01/11-myths-about-flash-that-wont-die/comment-page-1/#comment-4619</link>
		<dc:creator>Kan Apple gjøre som de vil eller burde de tatt mer ansvar? at Allverdig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 23:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joshua Rodman</title>
		<link>http://www.warmforestflash.com/blog/2010/01/11-myths-about-flash-that-wont-die/comment-page-1/#comment-4617</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Rodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of disagree with the whole thesis here.

For example, you *can&#039;t* select and copy text on flash sites.  Unless,
as you point out, the developer goes out of their way to let you.
Which is ridiculous to start with (for both the user and the
developer) and frequently forgotten. That this is even a possible
outcome of flash is kind of a failure of the platform.

There are similar rejoinders for most of them: Flash isn&#039;t
*reasonably* supported on mobile devices, because it uses too much
cpu/battery.  You can&#039;t use the back button unless you go out of your
way to support it (somewhat true with ajaxy sites as well).  That the
mousewheel ever didn&#039;t work is a joke.  Etc. etc.

But the big deal, and the issue that all of these little problems fall
out of is this: Flash is closed.

Flash being closed means that we don&#039;t get quality implementations on
the platforms that Adobe doesn&#039;t care as much about.  Flash being
closed means we don&#039;t get bugs fixed.  Flash being closed results in
security risks.  Flash being closed means that platform developers
would be happy if it just went away.  And that&#039;s really what&#039;s at the
heart of Apple&#039;s rejection of Flash.  

As for me, I&#039;m a Free Software bigot, and run Linux, and that means I
don&#039;t ever load flash at all on my main workstation.  So when I hit a
site that&#039;s flash-required I know that they don&#039;t actually want to get
their message out.  Flash is not the web, it&#039;s just a thing that some
people use in concert with the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of disagree with the whole thesis here.</p>
<p>For example, you *can&#8217;t* select and copy text on flash sites.  Unless,<br />
as you point out, the developer goes out of their way to let you.<br />
Which is ridiculous to start with (for both the user and the<br />
developer) and frequently forgotten. That this is even a possible<br />
outcome of flash is kind of a failure of the platform.</p>
<p>There are similar rejoinders for most of them: Flash isn&#8217;t<br />
*reasonably* supported on mobile devices, because it uses too much<br />
cpu/battery.  You can&#8217;t use the back button unless you go out of your<br />
way to support it (somewhat true with ajaxy sites as well).  That the<br />
mousewheel ever didn&#8217;t work is a joke.  Etc. etc.</p>
<p>But the big deal, and the issue that all of these little problems fall<br />
out of is this: Flash is closed.</p>
<p>Flash being closed means that we don&#8217;t get quality implementations on<br />
the platforms that Adobe doesn&#8217;t care as much about.  Flash being<br />
closed means we don&#8217;t get bugs fixed.  Flash being closed results in<br />
security risks.  Flash being closed means that platform developers<br />
would be happy if it just went away.  And that&#8217;s really what&#8217;s at the<br />
heart of Apple&#8217;s rejection of Flash.  </p>
<p>As for me, I&#8217;m a Free Software bigot, and run Linux, and that means I<br />
don&#8217;t ever load flash at all on my main workstation.  So when I hit a<br />
site that&#8217;s flash-required I know that they don&#8217;t actually want to get<br />
their message out.  Flash is not the web, it&#8217;s just a thing that some<br />
people use in concert with the web.</p>
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		<title>By: Sci-Fi-Si</title>
		<link>http://www.warmforestflash.com/blog/2010/01/11-myths-about-flash-that-wont-die/comment-page-1/#comment-4607</link>
		<dc:creator>Sci-Fi-Si</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of people don&#039;t like Flash because they&#039;re a bit dim and don&#039;t know how to code in ActionScript 3.

Also the whole point of Flash is that being vector based, it can fit an excellent animation into a tiny file size that simply couldn&#039;t be done in HTML.

Also Flash is completely cross browser unlike HTML that has different &#039;quirks&#039; in every single browser - Flash you write once and it&#039;s identical across the board</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of people don&#8217;t like Flash because they&#8217;re a bit dim and don&#8217;t know how to code in ActionScript 3.</p>
<p>Also the whole point of Flash is that being vector based, it can fit an excellent animation into a tiny file size that simply couldn&#8217;t be done in HTML.</p>
<p>Also Flash is completely cross browser unlike HTML that has different &#8216;quirks&#8217; in every single browser &#8211; Flash you write once and it&#8217;s identical across the board</p>
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		<title>By: $incere</title>
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		<dc:creator>$incere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, I couldn&#039;t have put it any better than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, I couldn&#8217;t have put it any better than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitos sobre Sitios Construidos en Flash &#124; Adobe Flash</title>
		<link>http://www.warmforestflash.com/blog/2010/01/11-myths-about-flash-that-wont-die/comment-page-1/#comment-4538</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitos sobre Sitios Construidos en Flash &#124; Adobe Flash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] los mitos que existen sobre los sitios web en flash, esta información la saque de este blog : www.warmforestflash.com . Y me pareció bueno compartirlo con ustedes.   El dueño del blog cita los siguiente:  Me gano la [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FlashBunny</title>
		<link>http://www.warmforestflash.com/blog/2010/01/11-myths-about-flash-that-wont-die/comment-page-1/#comment-4240</link>
		<dc:creator>FlashBunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lastly I think Sarah nailed the root of the flash myths. Bad programming&quot;

- The fact that basic usability features need to be hard coded by the programmer (Flash) rather than being constrained by the medium (HTML/CSS) is what drives ordinary users away from Flash content in droves. Combined with poor performance, this is lethal.

There are no constraints in Flash to force &quot;good programming&quot; or good usability practices. Sadly, this is what makes these &quot;myths&quot; actual fact and why Flash has such a bad reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lastly I think Sarah nailed the root of the flash myths. Bad programming&#8221;</p>
<p>- The fact that basic usability features need to be hard coded by the programmer (Flash) rather than being constrained by the medium (HTML/CSS) is what drives ordinary users away from Flash content in droves. Combined with poor performance, this is lethal.</p>
<p>There are no constraints in Flash to force &#8220;good programming&#8221; or good usability practices. Sadly, this is what makes these &#8220;myths&#8221; actual fact and why Flash has such a bad reputation.</p>
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